Saturn Return Can Bite Me

Another Saturn Return blog

My Tryst With Saturn. Hoo boy, is it ever.

Clearcut Astrology

Being out of town over the weekend, I was kinda baffled to see this crop up on Elsa's site, but it looks like a darned good idea. I'd like to do it myself, if I could just come up with a clearcut QUESTION. Seriously, I am so vague right now that they'd need to build a supercomputer the size of a planet to figure out what my question is.

Anyhoo, answers and solutions so far:

• When will I be loved? "If you want a relationship you will have to compromise and join us in the real (and really flawed) world. If you opt not to do that, I completely understand."
• Mad Pisces drained rage!!! "As for your emotion you can concern yourself if you wish but I think it would work just as well to make your tendency to cry be part of your (Leo) act."
• Panic attacks: "The answer is to quiet the mind and I don’t see this as “optional”. It’s something you’ve got to do."
• Dealing with bullies as an adult: "The only way to stop a bully is to stand up to him/her. I wish it were not this way. I wish people were not assholes but fact is some people are assholes and if you don’t want them to be assholes around you, you’ve got to take them out."

Worst. Horoscope. Ever.

scorpio (Oct. 24th-Nov. 22nd)
You’re gonna fuck it up this week.

On belief and disbelief

"The weird thing is that I DON’T know how astrology works. And yes, I have read Cosmos & Psyche.

I just know that it DOES work and it seems to work better the more you do it. It works backwards, it works forwards, it works shallow (when Mars is on your Venus, you will meet hot guys sorta thing) and it works deep…a la Jungian astro et al. Or a Pluto transit. So if it works and it does, then how weird & intricate & MAGIC is our world? Our universe?"

Making fun of Virgos

"Because Virgo is always sooo atypical. “Oh, I am not the typical Virgo, ” she doth protest. “The other week i let the fridge go without being vanilla wiped and the top shelf was not even colour co-ordinated.”

Or “I am like the opposite of what Virgos are meant to be like. Are you aware that your left sock has shrunk slightly in the wash or something and so it is out of kilter with the other? You can see that they are meant to match and are of the same pair but the left one is slightly more offwhite and the texture is not so smooth as that on the right.”

And “I am such an atypical Virgo. I was five minutes late to every single one of my appointments last Wednesday although it wasn’t my fault as I was having my curtains drycleaned and I had to ensure they used the correct cleaning product.”

Remember Charlie Sheen was one of the few clients sprung in the Heidi Fleiss escort scandal because he kept meticulous records."

This week's AstroBarry

TAURUS (April 20-May 20): "This week is the preliminary kick-off to a time you've been patiently(?) awaiting for a good couple months or so, Taurus. You're due to emerge from this badly-needed holding pattern, in which things seemed more like they happened to you rather than you having made much of anything happen. But that's all about to change, starting at the end of the week… with the dual-events of (1) Mercury returning to direct motion in your sign and (2) Mars moving into Taurus. In other words, as the overall pace of collective life in general begins to slow down to reasonable levels, the crazed individuals all around you will finally get the chance to notice you've been (quietly?) sitting on some rather insightful realizations, holding off on sharing until you were more secure in 'em (and they got all that impulsive bullshit out of their systems). Feel free to put your notions into motion again, with the knowledge that, by the time Venus (your ruling goddess) lands in Taurus at the end of next week, you'll already be seeing some results. And from June 6 to June 13, all three personal planets—Mercury, Venus and Mars—will be in Taurus country. Oh, yeah! At last, the vibe that'll be permeating every last inch of our immediate existence will be right up your alley. Why not emit an early self-satisfying chuckle now, giddy from the awareness that soon it'll be other people's turn to feel totally out of their element… and your turn to rule the roost?"

Hm, yeah...I'll be waiting for the end of the week for that, but won't be holding my breath.

This Saturn-Uranus thing is getting old for me

"Somehow, juggling flaming swords while maintaining the proper posture needed keep a book atop our heads, we must follow a complex blend of opposing bits of advice. Keep it together, while ripping it apart. Follow the rules, yet at the same time, rewrite the rules. Maintain consistency, without forgetting to try something new. And, of course, respect authority… except when that 'authority' has lost sight of its moral roots, at which point, overthrow it by any means necessary.

Is it any wonder so many of us feel stuck between a rock and a hard place, trying to figure out whether to give that same old thing another shot or to throw in all our tiles and start from scratch? I'd be lying were I to assert there's any easy answer to all of this.

Looking comprehensively at one's birthchart can help provide more detailed information about where to opt for careful conservation and where to bust out liberation-style. Houses that oppose one another in a chart always reflect complementary themes—and if Saturn's in one, then Uranus has got to be in the one directly opposite it. Therefore, say that Saturn's hitting your 2nd house, which deals with your personal resources, finances and that which gives you a sense of stability and security in your life. Uranus must be lighting up your 8th, where we merge our resources with someone else, in passionate and/or complicated psychological interrelations, unable to easily discern what belongs to whom. That would tell you to be super-diligent about preserving what's yours (Saturn in 2nd), since you'll probably be shaking things radically up in terms of your most intimate partnerships (romantic, professional or otherwise). Another example: Uranus in the 1st means your immediate personality is undergoing major reinvention… which also means Saturn's in your 7th and, as part of this reinvention, you've got to be very responsible about who you maintain close one-on-one relationships with, and how you do it.

Get the picture?

Envision this tug-of-war transpiring across two corresponding areas of your life. The goal, tricky as it sounds, is to not let either side win. When the rope is pulled taut from both directions, the tension produced is actually a healthy creative one. Should one team, Saturn or Uranus, become distracted or fatigued, the other team will take unfair advantage and yank its selfish principles to victory. Regardless of which planet is permitted to win, the other will be collapsed in the mud, dirty and cranky and discouraged. And believe me, you want neither Saturn nor Uranus to be disrespected."

Looking at this, I have it in the eleventh (Saturn) and fifth (Uranus). Which are empty houses for me, yay, so I dunno if I can blame any drama on this specifically tying to my planets.

However, I will look up some info on those house placements, since this seems like a good idea.

Saturn in eleventh:

A new inner direction takes hold, and becomes a plan for action.

As Saturn comes into and passes through your Eleventh House, you should, by this point, be actively listening to the inner message that began reaching you as Saturn moved into the Tenth House. Above all, this inner message brings something new into your life, perhaps more of a feeling or tone… or a simple vibration, but something that your whole being resonates to. More than anything, this new experience is something of a vision. Many see a whole new life plan at this point.

A vision is an experience or insight we have that is more real or important to us than the rest of our life surrounding it, both before and after that event. In a moment of vision, we take into ourselves or absorb seminal information that is more than we can simply understand with our mind. It may take weeks, months, or years to decipher and realize what it means. It is analogous to what we read about in some of the sacred texts, where they speak of receiving a secret scroll into the mind, and reading (understanding) it over time. We take in a vision, and we bring it to mind, again and again, until we have absorbed its content, until we understand it.

Saturn’s transit of the 11th house is a time when we are fueled and fired by something coming from within our own mind and self, an idea, thought, plan – a strong stimulus or message of some kind. And in this house, that original stimulus or insight turns into a plan, some attempt on our part of implement whatever idea is moving us, and make it real. “For spirit must be made to matter,” is a line I wrote years ago that describes what I am getting at here. We are inspired or driven to design a plan to make our inner vision real, to make it matter in our day-to-day life.

And to do that, we look everywhere around us for help, for anyone willing to move these plans forward. In this sense, we are very community minded, not particular about who can help, but embracing all and any means to make these dreams real. Here we are perhaps at our most visionary or altruistic, way beyond any selfish or personal motives, and sincerely making an effort to help make something happen.

Uranus in fifth:

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Neptune in synastry

In depth read here.

Literary Astrology: the Uber-Scorpio

I recently finished reading Tap and Gown, and I'd like to cite one of its main characters, Jamie "Poe" Orcutt, as an UBER-Scorpio. We find out in this book exactly why he got called "Poe"--for his Halloween birthday. But in this book, he's especially Scorpionic. During the book, he's revealed as the mastermind behind a giant political figure's downfall, and he is apparently recruited for one of Those Scary Organizations We Don't Talk About. Also, we find out that at one point, he was quite insistent on having live chickens around during an initiation for the secret society he's in.

"Rebuffed, the Knight Poe proceeded to glower at his assembled brothers for a full five minutes."

Then there's an hour and a half of discussion in which he insists on the chickens, until a suitable, less messy yet still chaotic substitute is found.

Later on, Jamie's girlfriend Amy befriends Michelle, a chick who turns out to be a girl Jamie used to date. According to Jamie, it petered out naturally when he became occupied with the society and Michelle got an official boyfriend. Michelle, on the other hand, tells Amy that she'd been briefly dating two guys at once.

"I almost would have felt better if he'd gotten mad or something. But he never said a word. I hardly even saw him until the following year, and when I did, he acted like nothing had ever happened between us. I guess I should be grateful that he didn't hold a grudge or anything. He's way too good for that."
No, he wasn't. Had she met this man? Jamie was the High King of Grudges. If someone screwed him over, they were toast. Our campaign against Micah Price last semester (after he'd screwed over the Diggers, generally, and Jenny, specifically), or even Felicity's Dragon's Head wrath, was nothing compared with what Poe would have wrought in Rose and Grave."

Another uber-Scorp I read about lately was the heroine of Goddess of 5th Avenue, Billie Bartholemew. I'll let her tell you why:

"The astrology column of the New York Times claims that Scorpios are pretty hot numbers, super sexy, ready to go and all that. Not so. Actually, more Scorpios are born nuns and priests, and we have more sexual problems than any other sign. All this sounds like a great excuse to prospective suitors, anyway.
Most likely it was my Scorpio sun, moon, and rising sign that drove me to the edge of reason."

I should probably also cite the technically-a-Scorpio Mary of Saturn's Return to New York here, but I'm convinced she's really a Taurus with Scorpio rising and the author just fudged it a lot. (Let's just say it's obvious from where her planets are located that she can't be a Scorpio Sun!)

Good post on Saturn

Here.

But this D.I.Y. Astro challenge is simply this. Get your chart & clock the sign and the house that Saturn is in; This area of your life is one that’s achingly difficult in early life - perhaps even pre-Saturn Return but it becomes buffed up, worked at and eventually your shining pride. And most likely only you will know how hard it was. Where-ever Saturn is, you get to WORK.  You have to have a proper structured plan. You learn harsh lessons in that area of life.

eg; a lot of self-made people have Saturn in the 2nd house - $$$ and self-worth, to name the most pertinent themes. They can seem amazingly financially secure, glowingly prosperous even but they’ve had to struggle not only for that money but for the idea that they deserve it. Perhaps also to crawl out from under some strange inheritance from a parent re money. I mean inherited ideas…eg; a gambling father. Or a mother who hoarded things. Your Saturn area is often also where you are self-taught.

Saturn in the 6th can be someone who was sick or somehow burdened with an allergy or similar in youth. So later they become these incredible beacons of fitness, nutrition and knowledge - it’s not apparent what they had to go through to get to that point. I know someone with Saturn in the 6th who had to wear some sort of a orthopedic cast thingie at primary school to correct a spine problem, which mortfied her. She was hospitalised for anorexia as a teen and then - to get over that - she got into competitive body building. In each extreme she went over the top; now she is a really brilliant homeopath & yoga teacher.  Most people who meet her would have  no idea the issues she had with her body.

So, go check out your Saturn & see what you can figure out. It’s always good to remember to be sensitive with another person’s Saturn area. And, it’s always the area of someone’s chart/life that they really love having honestly acknowledged. eg; Saturn in the 3rd (communications) could be someone who had to overcome a severe speech defect or was maybe raised in an environment where she wasn’t really allowed to talk. So that Saturn would love being acknowledged for her eloquence or even just lovely speaking voice. Saturn in the 3rd can start with a stutter and/or shyness and wind up on the radio or the public speaking circuit. True!