"I see this a lot in the behavior patterns of those with Saturn retrograde—they are unsure about themselves, unsure about the whole boundary issue thing, unsure about how much they should do for others, and when to say no. They can get imposed on."
Yeah, I have Saturn retrograde and I totally fit this description. If I had a dollar for every time someone gave me the boundaries lecture.... to which I say, so what do you do with someone who doesn't respect boundaries even when you are screaming at them to stop for months on end?
You kind of learn that you can't stop someone who wants to keep coming, that's what. You learn that "boundaries" don't matter and aren't respected, so why waste your breath and time trying to stop a bulldozer?
"A good example of how Saturn retrograde works and how it doesn’t is seen in the chart of a woman with Saturn rising and direct. When she was a young child she clearly understood boundaries. She was quiet in school and never caused any trouble at all. The class bully got in back of her in line one day on the way to the cafeteria and made a big mistake. He grabbed her braids and started yanking her head. She spun around without a word, swung on him, and bloodied his nose. Then, still without a word, she turned back and resumed walking. He, on the other hand, squawked loudly, crying that he’d been mortally injured.
This is not the behavior of a retrograde Saturn child. A Saturn retrograde child might have gotten upset but would probably immediately appeal to the teacher (the authority figure) for help and expect the teacher to handle the issue.
Retrograde Saturns are sometimes picked on because they aren’t sure if they should defend themselves or if they have the right to do so, and if so, how far they can go.
A direct Saturn child has no problem with those concerns at all. The line was crossed. Period.
Retrograde Saturn children may not know where the line is."
Now this hits home because I was a bullied child (I know, you're so shocked to hear it) and I had no effing idea how to deal with it. I didn't tattle to a teacher or my parents or anybody. I was the one that got in trouble for being bullied, of course, because it was my fault for oh, existing or something. Oh, excuse me, existing while shy because they held me back a year for being socially undeveloped. By all means, explain to me how one socially develops when every other kid they know hates them.
And another thought: it's the boundaries issue again. You learn early on that you can't stop a bully, and other people don't give a shit about stopping a bully for you, so...that's just what is going to happen to you.
In the incredibly unlikely event that I'd ever have children, I would home school them or find a tutor or a home school program (they exist where I live) and keep them the hell away from other children as long as I could. Any kid I'd have would be instabait.
"The retrograde condition almost always points to difficulty with the rules of life, for one reason or another. Women with this position may find themselves seeking parental approval endlessly, working harder than necessary, longer hours, never saying No when asked to do the extra job or assume the added responsibility. Sometimes this develops excessive deference to men. They can
wear themselves out this way and never really get either approval or credit for all that effort. I have been amazed at how many Saturn retrograde women are in support roles on the job. This is Saturn duty carried to an extreme.
Sometimes they are denied the authority to do their jobs or to obtain jobs that have authority because they are seen as soft or as supporters, not leaders, by management. They try very hard to fit whatever role management wants and be seen as team players. This can be undermined by a poorly placed Saturn. Some women eventually just decide they don’t want the aggravation of it all. They may blame themselves unduly for their failures. "
Hm, yeah, this is fairly close to my job. I don't want to be a leader (oh god no), but I have a lot of issues with trying to fit what is wanted of me and then I'm always told that no matter what I try I'm still not what they want. Sigh.
Saturn retrograde sucks, in case you couldn't tell!