"Honestly, if the Tweet had come from a Grand Wizard of the KKK, it would be obviously, painfully racist. If it had come from Sarah Silverman, it would be obviously not a joke at the expense of Africans, but a joke at the expense of white privilege. Sarah Silverman would be mocking the type of person who believed that, and she might also be mocking the fact that AIDS is still a death sentence in parts of Africa, while it's become increasingly treatable in Western cultures."
"Here the thing, if a person -- even an accountant -- messes up their taxes, there are clear and well known ways to fix the mistake. If its big and intentional, maybe jail and license suspension or disbarment. If it's less egregious, there's a new filing and a penalty or fine. There is no similar system for the internet, so all punishment is the same, and often incredibly severe."
"We seem to be really, really into making people object lessons these days."
There are also reports on scary experiments in schools on how easily things are retweeted or how fast a "private" Snapchat is sent around the world. Ughhhhhhhhhhhh.
In other news today, I discovered that a 20-year-old I know does not have Facebook. i am so proud of her.
And in other news online, someone finally found a way to stop Internet sexual harassers: (a) be a famous sports macho dude, who (b) tracks down the guys harassing his kid. Consequences, they are finally had.
Look, I don't pay attention to sports and I had not heard of this dude before tonight. I gather he is quite problematic at best. But for this act alone, he's kind of a hero to me today. Also, FINALLY SOMETHING WORKED TO STOP SOMEONE, eh?
"You could see at some point they all thought what the hell is he going to do to me and they got worse and eventually it got to the point where I said OK, I need to fix this.”
“A couple of these guys, this stuff will follow them around for the rest of their lives because I am going to make sure it does,” he added.
“No one is every allowed and OK to talk to you like this, in person or in private, ever. You better know that the opportunities for you out there are no different for you because you’re a woman. People like this are so intimated by you and your potential success that this is the only thing they got. That is one of the reasons why I taught my daughter self-defense. We live in a world that is — look across the ocean — we live in a world that in some cases despises women.”
"Now let me emphasize again. I was a jock my whole life. I played sports my whole life. Baseball since I was 5 until I retired at 41. I know clubhouses. I lived in a dorm. I get it. Guys will be guys. Guys will say dumb crap, often. But I can’t ever remember, drunk, in a clubhouse, with best friends, with anyone, ever speaking like this to someone…"
- "I have belatedly, reluctantly, and sadly come to the conclusion that the Internet is ruining society."
- "Actually, it's the other way around."
- "I think the internet was great until the rest of society showed up."
- "On the one hand, yay him! Anything that holds harassers accountable is great as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand, I'm not sure that she would have been able to get the same degree of redress if she hadn't had a famous father, and that's an issue. Women shouldn't need the support of powerful male relatives in order to be safe from harassment."
- "And, frankly, is just another exhibit of the kind of privilege that Schilling has, that he can call up the baseball coach at a random college and get a kid suspended. Because if Gabby's father were random no-name Curt Schenkel, no way could he have gotten anything done to protect her (although TBF, she wouldn't have been singled out except for her father's fame)."
- "I just hope that there are more cases like this where trolls suffer consequences, so that maybe women can say things on the internet, and when a person who might troll her is about post, they think, "oh, wait, will this come back to bite me?" And, yeah, hopefully that'll be the case Even when the women and their families aren't powerful."
- "I think it is great that Curt Schilling is doing something about this. He has an audience, and it is one that normally isn't associated with fighting against this kind of thing.
Some TV exec should give him a reality show where he is like the social media A-Team:
Curt gets a call from someone who is being harassed online. They do a short profile on the victim and the harassment. To pad things out you could have eggheads explain why the trolling was so bad and the effects it has on victims. Curt could do 2 of these per show. Curt and his group of internet sleuths find the harassers and then he shows up at their door with a camera crew. The harasser has no idea what's going on, and maybe even thinks he's won a prize, why else would Curt Schilling come to his door with a camera crew right? Then BOOM! Curt tells him off for doing whatever trolling he was doing."
- "It seems to me that ignoring the trolls and staying quiet has not done one whit against online harassment and bullying. There are comments on his blog along the lines of "he should have called the police." These people have clearly never been abused online. I'm tired of being told that this is just the internet and that I should just accept it. The more people who hear that this is not acceptable, the more likely it is that it'll be taken seriously."
- Christ... I think this thread could be pretty digested down to 7 comments:
1 . Yay
2. But Schilling is often bad!
3. Boo and yay
4. Women shouldn't have to rely on $_male to solve the problem/the system sucks
5. Yes but...
6. [random assuming of bad faith]
- "Is public doxing really the best response?" "What are the alternatives? Leaving aside illegal alternatives such as going to their house and punching them in the face (which I'm most definitely not advocating), what action can any one person take in such a situation armed with the knowledge that law enforcement doesn't care the tiniest bit about assault against women?
I'm as concerned as the next person about possible wrong identification, but the situation has been pushed to a place where the rules of justice may need to be flipped on their head to even come close to working - it may just be that one person wrongly accused is the lesser harm when the alternative is hundreds and thousands going unpunished. In this particular case, it's only because the accuser is a male celebrity that the perpetrators have got even the relative slap on the wrist they have."
- "1. Person X said really, really awful thing on Twitter about your daughter.
2. You do some digging to find Person X’s real name and profession.
3. You contact Person X’s employer and say: “Were you aware that Person X said this? And do you know how easy it was for me to figure out they work for you? If I figured it out, surely so have other people; do you want this sentiment associated with your business?”